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Kouchner the "Great Humanitarian" ? After a strong beginning, he has been promoting himself as such for decades now, but that idea should have been exploded by the mid-Nineties. Great success in Kosovo, wot ? The power of the medja again ! He is caricatured here as always carrying a sack of rice over his shoulder, an insider joke that at one time he always arranged for the TV cameras, and some humanitarian goodies to be delivered, wherever he went . This self-promotion worked for many french as well as Mr Zizek. "According to most of the polls, the main reason …

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Kuya, Your writing is exactly the same as that of General Sir David Ramsbotham. He was one of the recent "Her Majesty's Inspectors of Prisons" in the UK . H e was a soldier of the Queen, for forty years, and now he is pissing in the wind over prison reform. One very angry ex -soldier.

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nyjets -- victims of crime, and/or their relatives, have a wide variety of responses as to what should be done with the perps. Taking your argument to the extreme, we could do away with the courts' sentencing powers altogether . Then a pure question of luck as to what sort of family sentences you ? I did look it up, but am not 100l;ear on how bad an offence has to be to count as a "felony" in the US . Maybe it varies from one state to another, too ? One thing I do know is that white-collar criminals who …

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The City of Cherbourg and other municipalities in France had a long fight too. It was worth it ! Meanwhile, the same companies are hard at work in Africa, etcetc ...

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Cabby and Heck disagree here and here, but seem both aghast at the disappearance of 'Real Jobs and Careers ' in the US ? I recently saw a french film, "Ma Mondialisation" , based on interviews, and travels to China, with a french CEO . His company was based ina valley full of such hi-tech enterprises, but now most have already been bought up by international Pension Funds, and the machines sold to India and China. He now has , within 5 years , to transfer ALL the production processes to China. Hitherto, he kept some back in france, the most …

Posted to Making Trade Work for Everyone

Hi cabby Just found this by a professor of accounting at my old uni -- http://www.ukwatch.net/article/britain_and_the_next_enron The power of those TNC's is breathtaking, is it not . Your economic logic is perfectly correct, IF our legislators actually had our interests at heart , or even a modicum of enlightened self-interest. . Horrible old Henry Ford paid his workers sufficient for them to buy his cars . Increasingly I am reminded of Tuchman's "The March of Folly" , in particular the chapter on how the brits managed to lose a particular colony . Very careless . I just heard Robert Reich welcoming …

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cabby 20may Walmart employees on food stamps another example of draining the economy...

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'Unpredictable' is the word . konformer-- thanks for the article. Reminded me of some stuff that I hadn't concentrated enough on. Fabius, and particularly DSK and Royal, are all too far to the Right for me; and I am NOT "far-left" at all. We all live in mixed economies. Should any french-speakers turn up here, an interesting speech by Bayrou at Evreux a coupla weeks ago. Bayrou I particularly appreciated his view on immigration, which was to understand that Life in much of Africa is such hell that people will die to get somewhere better, ( as many hundreds do every …

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Mike, I prefer you when you're being civilised, as when you discuss with Recursive Prophet . Cabby, You too ! Years ago, and late already in the day, I realised that the Israeli state had become somewhat similar to the former oppressors of the Jews and many others . Israel is very close to a fascist state, if ever there was one ....cabby 22jan 1135h . We've disagreed before over the influence of the Zionist Lobby in the US. I'd include the UK and France to that, but that's a detail. The simple fact for me is that any President or …

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Rarely seen such a thread for 'flaming', and I do agree with Canuck -- being civilised doesn't cost much, and gets me further faster. Viewing the present debacle in Iraq, and the fact we are still disputing the causes of and reasons for it, how equally difficult to be sure about the Danzig Corridor ? Imputing geo-strategic reasons to Austen Chamberlain, and WS Churchill, which , perhaps, MAYBE, they were ignorant of, just goes to show how one can 'over-interpret' historical decisions. Cabby may be correct as to Hitler's mad ambitions to conquer the whole world. The networks of agents throughout …

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Canuck-- your Peace Train pix should be compulsory watching for the undecided . ( Heck - it's not a video ... ) Heck --- -In the past I have called you a"bloody-minded old thing" when you buy into this war of civilisations stuff, but since we agree so whole-heartedly on Globalisation, standards in public life, environment, etc, have long since agreed to differ on some points. Also you are a highly critical researcher, a useful type to have around. Roosevelt / Germany declaring War --- moot point . Maybe if we were in a single room, things would actually be more …

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About three years ago I started wondering if life had been better under Saddam. Michael Moore's film was no very great shakes, but one image stayed with me -- those kids playing football in the street. No helicopters, no gunfire, no bombs. Now just about everyone is coming around to accepting it was better under Saddam. What a waste.

Posted to Iraqi Health Care: Hostage to War

Wolf plastic shredders may be true, but the proof is strangely lacking. The Kuweit incubator babies story has been definitely traced back to an American PR firm. You display your deep ignorance about that part of the world by describing them as "primitive cultures" . They are a mix of ancient tribal societies and large numbers of people who are as 'modern' as anyone in the US or Europe. A doctor or engineer may also have a close family relationship with his or her tribe, but obviously has advanced beyond it . By repeating simplistic propaganda bullshit, you make a fool …

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Hi Dave, I saw you got the furry message of love, too . And 'no', i have not yet bought my electrically assisted bicycle to replace the ute for short trips, but that will happen ! Living in the US, Canuckistan, Europistan, we all live within cultures that still have primitive sides to them. When was the last nigga publicly lynched by Wolfy and friends ? Not that long ago at all. Well, maybe he didn't do it , poisonally. Perhaps his loving father. Nice people, some of those yanks. Of course every dead EYE-RAQI is a good one, so no …

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No chance Mike. They're going to go down with him, not on him. US and UK and the other stooges are technically liable under various bits of the Geneva and Hague Conventions for not looking after the people in Occupied Territory.

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Fascinating article. I enjoyed the transition between the first half , when the students were enjoying the explanation of the 'well-oiled machine' , understanding the WSJ at last, and later on when Allan Sanderson went into his Adam Smith ( "almost like--- Propaganda" ) spiel on Free Trade, and they revolted. I'm in regular contact with a young man beginning economics, and seeing him going through this learning phase. All Classical stuff so far ! Adam Smith wrote in the mid 19th Century, so no shame on him for not forseeing the recent developments in the derivatives markets, and much else. …

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Hi Heck an Cabby Losing posts at mom, this to check.... EDIT ....at last. What Joe Stiglitz has called the "ideological simplistic view on Free Trade" is promulgated particularly in intro economics, which is what most of the populace gets, if anything . Its what the MSM flogs 24/7, too. The WSJ article from heck is pure cloudcuckoo land. "as workers lose jobs in one sector ...they move on to better jobs and higher pay "... "growing buffers against risk ............." Did a longer post but lost. lESSON LEARNED;

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JON B HERE'S A NICE ONE ON """PROTECTIONISM """. tongue very near cheek.............. Every time I hear some well-heeled safe-jobbed hypocrite lecturing us on "competitiveness", I wanna reach for Heck's .45 .

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JonB I posted the article, as a 'spoof', and thought I should mention the 'tongue in cheek bit . Seems it was needed, not 100% sure you got the GOAK ! If EVER, anyone thought wars were a good way way of sorting out international problems, WELL send the Oldies into the front line, because they made the decision. Imagining different futures are what we are all about. The south american kids who 'learned " Economics in the USA, have choices to make. As do we all.. Here in frogland, the same story. I have a friend with a very small …

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Last week, the UN's Secretary-General Kofi Annan told the BBC that he agreed with Iraqis who claim life in Iraq is worse than it was when Saddam was in power saying, " . . . their kids could go to school and come back home without a mother or father worrying 'am I going to see my child again?'" Libertarian columnist Ilana Mercer in her article, "At least Saddam kept order," has this to say, "To be fair, Saddam's last major massacre was in 1991, during which only 3,000 Shiites were murdered," adding, "That's less than the monthly quota under 'democracy.'" …

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Heck, John B, we are in that same boat. Would-be factory workers in Mexico who lost their last job, to a guy somewhere else in Mexico who would work for less than him, peasant-farmers in India enthralled to the sellers of GMO seeds and the necessary fertilisers, my neighbour french farmers trapped on the same merrygoround of producing yet more more milk to be exported , free, to Africa, or somewhere. With subsidies. The so-called "intellectual arguments" supporting this crap are BOGUS. Long ago , my UK sarge and Heck's told us " Bullshit Baffles Brains". Sorree ! Not true. There …

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And now today, most of French Water is owned by the Multinationals.

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JonB I've been following those same guys from this side of the pond, and Dorgan. ralph nader describes some similar positive activity in this piece. Between us we've seen around us the catastrophic effects in human and societal costs of the so-called Blabla ""free"" movement of capital and trade. Hundreds of anecdotes may add up to just one big unprovable anecdote ! But .............I'm convinced that we have exchanged a moderately inefficient but socially stable world for something far worse. The eternal quest for higher productivity from hyper-mobile Capital is the cause. Maybe my marxist friend cabby/denis will return. In the …

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Jon B ""revisiting """ cafta nafta wto imf wb, EEC, e t c... YUP, YOU BET, lotsa revisiting to be done, and much of it comes back to those simple ideas in Econ 101 which were goin to solve all problems, eventually. Protectionism is a dirty word . Weel to hell with it, I'm goin to start talking a little dirty in the runup to our presidentials . PS Norm Stamper of LEAP ( law enforcement against prohibition) did an article here a while back. Most interesting example of fact that people can learn, change .

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Heck, I must confess I do not master all the deets of NAFTA , but I have doubts about anything being too late to change. If that were true, nothing would ever get changed ? The russkis seem to have a clearer view of this, as Putin kicks out Shell from its majority participation in Sakhalin. Any trade agreement which turns out not to be in the national interest depends in the end on 'Power'. The South American dictators 'disappeared' and tortured their opponents and many complete innocents too. They were fully supported by the US in that. Operation Condor. Kissinger …

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Cleaners !

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Here in Europe the "Free Market Theorisers" have mostly taken over the European Commission. Like the GOP with Bush in Congress. Let the Polluters regulate Pollution . Great ! Let the Arms Manufacturers and AIPAC decide International policy. Really great ! Fortunately, all is not bad, as different parts of europe disagree -- GMO's are illegal here under European Law, but france has not yet passed it into french law . SO, france has to pay , might have to pay eventually, 360000Euros a day for not passing those laws, while at the same time legally attacking friends of mine for …

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Heck - confess I ain't deeply studied, or to be honest , studied at all ! , SOX, but when the really big boys complain about it, it can't be bad . So I can't answer your enron question, .............yet. Seatbelts we agree make sense. It saves society cash on repairing unnecessarily injured to do some enforcement, BUT, I got caught within the speedlimit last month, just before putting on my belt leaving town, and it cost me a quarter of my driving licence (4 points out of twelve) and 90E---- $120. That's going too far -- it hits the poor …

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Jon B Yes. They're working hard against Sarbanes-Oxley, because cos are exiting to the London Stock Exchange which is Oh so lightly and inefficiently regulated. That is competition, competition in a race for lower standards, less protection for the People. Welfare for corporations. See Fast Food Nation for that applied to the food industry, the book 100 times better than the film... heck, nice one here from Scott Ritter on the usefulness of writing letters to your Representatives in Congress !

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Hi jon; Testing meat regularly I understand, gotta keep them up to standard. Remember from the book how happy the workers were to produce meat for Old Europe, the higher vet standards meant the management had to slow the lines ? Veges not so easy I expect. Why should the slaves wash their hands, after all. Heck The Great Risk Shift tell when you get DSL plentya fun videos out there. And some less fun, but good. PS see I'm coming from deutschland again, when are they goin to realise I'm not a terrist ? Well, to make them happy, google …

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Jon B like the bit about the "libertarian" part of your brain, know what you mean . Maybe Take theTEST at politicalcompass ? Thursday night is --- down to the best country pub in normandy (maybe the world...) , pick up bread and goatcheese from local farming friends, , and to talk to real people ,.. not that my netfriends are un-real...., often about the same things we discuss here. The globalisin steamroller in europe now means postal services gonna be privatised, so long queues at the PO for christmas card stamps, they're cutting staff. and service. politics here warming up …

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Hi Heck on drugs 'norm stamper' ( name from memory ? ), coupla articles in archives here at ITT , and LEAP organisation, worth a look ---- all commonsense, but good for additional ammo for one's own arguments. Yes on the big picture . Those who scramble up the greasy pole to power so often have extraordinary gaps in their knowledge, understanding, analyses . "thinking time" missing was one of my first impressions of tonyblair, and that applies to a majority of "em . Have a good time these next few days, and seeya !

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TEX "eluding" the police over TWELVE Marijuana plants , are you really sure this should be a serious risk to your life ? URANUS -- agreed, 99% ! I can , just, imagine cases where that would be better than shooting, but only under extremely high supervision. The temptation to use these as instruments of torture, and the ease with which this can be done, says NO to me. We had a case in France of this sort, repeated "tazering" of an arrested demonstrator for no other reason than that.

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WTH -- back to THE subject on which we mostly agree. Well, agree on the symptoms-- still looking for some cures...

Posted to How do you feel about the impact of globalization on the U.S. economy?

HECK Good to see you .... One serious suggestion to escape madness IS to ration ones' intake of propaganda .( otherwise known as "news" programmes) . The squeeze is on here too, of course, but slightly more mitigated by government interventions than stateside. As with your politicians, if they are all saying the same thing, repeated blabla by the Press, strong odds they are all wrong . What is the use of "Economic Growth", if associated with vastly increasing numbers of working (and nonworking) poor ? Have you read Byron Dorgan yet, ? I meant to order, but got busy. with …

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Hi Heck With a reading-list like that i guess you will SOON be waiting for Wiley, gglodoe, Rabbit an' me in the GWB- Halliburton Rehabililtation Facility. What times we'll have while they decide if we are really Terrists . Here in frogland you can work for any number of employers for (i think 6mos) which then gives a good six mos 'decreasing' benefit starting from 56% of previous earnings. At the end of benef, you move over to a RMI--- minimum income--- so you get SOMETHING, until somebody can prove you ain't "trying". . Interesting you selected Ehrenreich as your favourite, …

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Hi Heck good article on Lane Evans this issue -- heck country. "Wartime powers" become permanent loss of freedoms when war becomes the permanent state of affairs, as with the Bush Long War against ........... whatever it was ? I'd also disagree strongly that the bushproblem is one of poor presentation --- to me lousy analysis and policies, which even a better "Presenter" like Tony Blair cannot win on for ever, are still----lousy . Busy here, freezing nights, sunny days, so cutting those trees that shade my windows in winter --- gotta let the old Sun through, it makes a great …

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HECK good stuff from molly ! Did my bit this morning, out with my State Rep distributing leaflets for a meeting on friday AGAINST the privatisation of our national Gas Utility. Some people in the street reacted by saying "No point in fighting them, they have the Power", to which I replied " The Bolivians kicked out SUEZ privatised Water" . ...............( a french company) The City of Cherbourg took years of legal battles to take back their water supply from the Capitalist Mothers, and immediately reduced the price to consumers; there are many other examples of french municipalities doing the …

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HECK You (americans) have the same problem as the rest of us. Arcane discussions about the difference between a 'democracy' and a ' republic' are all very well, but the facts on the ground are what count. You and I could have walked the streets safely under Saddam, bought rare books in the souk, but now we could not even get into the country. The bookshops in Baghdad are now dead. And now Condi and Co are applauding the death sentence on one of their oldest and most faithful allies. As the MAFIA say - in the films -- """" this …

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banana republic voting bordel (which is french for 'brothel')

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"" had documented (among other things) how CIA cargo planes ferried arms to the contras and then carried cocaine back to military bases and remote airfields on the return flights. "" The above is not a "blind eye"", it is participation. "Cocaine to Military Bases" ----- for Godssake. ! Blaming all this on 'overactive editors' and 'mercenary media-killers ' ( who now admit they went overboard.....) is weak stuff. Maybe DOUG is just yet another of those LW Gatekeepers after all. The substance of this story is that there was so much money in cocaine, and Doug still wishes us to …

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Hi CABBY, Canuck dave, and Jane dOE? WHO IS OBVIOUSLY NOT OLE rABBIT, KEYBOARD PLAYING UP THERE jAY DEECLINE talking about 'vetting all candidates' reminds me about AIPAC selecting candidates for your Congress, but i guess he was refering to the IslamofFascist Enemy of the month. I think it was JD who pointed out that the the use of the "F" word, like the "appeasement" one was just another example of the cheap and nasty , and ineffably stupid , level to which current politics have descended. I've spent far too long trying to wean amurrican friends off their illusion that …

Posted to The Neocons Lexicon

Hi Heck, thanks for the lead to this. . And I said, �You know what, this is bullshit. I�m not going to support something that I think undermines our country�s interests. I don�t believe this was negotiated in a way that represents our country�s best interests.� A man to watch, indeed. I like the way he is described as a "populist" --- if that's a populist , sign me up !

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Hi Spinoza, Putting words in Ahmadinejihad's mouth is a good place to start. Deliberate mistranslation for Propaganda. Surprising how many people believe sincerely that IRAN wants to wipe Israel off the map. Well, understandable more like, because the media barrage on this here in france, and UK, is non-stop. Soundbites around the clock, in most of the newspapers, etc.. You are correct on the Liquid Bomber Scare A complete farce.

Posted to The Good War on Terror

Do as I say, NOT as I do . This article is correct , as far as it goes, but there is more to be said. Terry does not address the dark history of government scientists (who were not "creationists --- just unscrupulous mad bastards) who experimented on soldiers, prisoners, kids in orphanages, and other civilians over much of the last century. A few months ago the britgov paid out £100, 000 compensation to the family of a serviceman killed by a sarin experiment at Porton Down UK, FIFTY years ago. Frog remembers the 'invitations' to participate , in the late …

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A sidelight on this is the H5N1 Bird Flu scam. Local vets were ordered to encourage backyard poultry keepers here to keep birds inside, or at least feed them there, install new fencing, lots of BlaBla ! Big health scare , and Bad science. All was blamed on "wild bird migration". New strains of disease arise with intensive production, spread by international trading of chicks, etc. Globalisation again. Some profit, like Rummy and tamiflu (google that !), the rest of us get scared by the media, and PAY .

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WTH Please notice my example IS from the UK Ministry of Defence. Your attack on Terry is ad hominem, including a generation back ! My own Daddy served 1939-46, started at 18 and finished up as Radar Chief of HM Pacific Fleet at age 24. He served in every theatre from a Russian Convoy (under Luftwaffe bombing) to hunting the Bismarck , to Atlantic Convoys (under submarine attacks), but none of that will make anything I say here more accurate. Terry's daddy is not her , either . To have a bit of balance here, may we assume that Terry lives …

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WTH Always enjoy talking to you. There is a natural gut-instinct reaction towards defending one's own country when one feels it is being unjustly 'attacked'. Been there myself . There is a centuries' old hostility Brit / frog, and the sort of people who go in for Xenophobia and stereotyping play it . Being older and wiser I now know most of their attacks and "Play" with them. Those poor hostile fools are easy . The interesting opposite ones are those sold on 'modernity', globalisin', and privatisin' public utilities, who believe life is all sunshine in US and Blair's Britain . …

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Maria Surely sick of it, but not yet scared ....? maybe i"m an incorrigible optimist, but not scared YET ! OF COURSE I recognise the 'race-war' possibility that Bushniks or similar Powermaniacs might decide to wipe our three-quarters of humanity to get "Lebensraum" . In the shorter term, those Mothas are eating away at the very basis of life--- monopolising the possibilities for agri- seeds. A century ago there were thousands of different strains of wheat / apple trees, now there are twenty predominant ones, and the others start to DISAPPEAR . ten days ago, here in france, the goddam secret …

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Hi HECK, I wouldn't say I was in the Blame Game. Most criticism of US applies elsewhere too. The Military-Industrial complex is truly multinational. . All sorts of groups are engaged in uncivilised and even barbarous acts, and most of them are Criminals, and many wear suits and have VERY expensive lawyers. The Reichstag Fire and Hitler's subsequent Enabling Acts are part of world history, which we can all look at and maybe learn from. Surprising numbers of terror groups have been penetrated by secret service agencies, and 'used' by them. A nasty world. Acts of terrorism could be, have been, …

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HECK, Behind the tough old rather militaristic guy is a 'Greeny' trying to get out ! Carter was the wrong man saying the right things in the Seventies. IF the US had declared a War on EnergyWasting then, the common mindset in the US would be very different today ? Just imagine the cocktail set in San Fran--- " Waal, my house doesn't NEED AC, because we are using techniques discovered in the Middle East a thousand years ago". POWERFUL FORCES conspired to make it otherwise, keep the users hooked on their drugs. Same here in europe. ON TERRORISM .................. . …

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Heck, I prefer your Greenery to the other stuff . (Carter was not completely an innocent, I believe he was the one started funding the Afghan mujahadin in 1979, and we've seen where that led. ) New regulations in Old Europe are steadily increasing insulation, stipulating much larger areas of double-glazed windows, and an architect friend tells me they seem to be aiming at "bio-climatic" houses for 2050, with most of the measures in place in a very few years from now. . I'm plotting to upgrade my house, increase the vegetable production, and going to see an 'electric bike' tomorrow. …

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Maria As you see I'm starting with my own garden , which is my way of escaping the foodtrade monopolies, and more people here are buying direct from local small farms. Small initiatives, for sure, but worth investing time in. Supporting political campaigns too. Searching out the rare politicians with honesty, independence and commonsense is vital-- byron dorgan for one .(thread at ITT) -- and telling the others what we expect from them, or else... Jos� Bov� a good man, as is Francois Dufour, a small farmer down the road who was spokesman for that movement, (puerto alegre etc) and is …

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This is what real scientists should be doing, not playing Dr Strangelove .

Posted to Sick to Death of Bush

Guys from Saudi Arabia, SUPPOSEDLY , did 911, and in a tantrum gwb invaded IRAQ and killed a hundred thousand or so . Them Christians sure have planks in their eyes. If I remember right Tilley refers to translations by ithers. First I saw was in a german paper. Why not forget the ad hominem stuff for a while , and go and look for various translations ?

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HECK, "Gwb" is shorthand for this administration. This administration is a continuation, and extension to new depths, of previous US policy. I mentioned Tilley, because the name easier to remember, seen a number of others on the subject of translation . Constant repetition of a few simple messages is the essence of selling, and PROPAGANDA, I am sure you will agree WTH ? Considering how much obfuscation and goddam lying can be got away with, USING a COMMON LANGUAGE, WOWEE for anything in translation ! (we agree, maybe ,) Holding suicide bombers responsible for their actions I agree with. Let us …

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My take on events is to question very closely, everything, like you. Like you, I start from somewhere else, so you find me really funny when I can believe the WORST of A government, and I find you misguided when you can believe the BEST . ! The MSM has an increasingly ignoble place in Society, so you could almost bet if they are unanimous, they are wrong. This applies particularly to encouragement of any action right out of the ordinary, like WAR. When I am damn sure the MSM is beating the wardrums, my antennae quiver, and I listen VERY …

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Hey Heck Blankley works for the "Reverend MOON" -- dingaling, --- a little bell goin' off ? The Rightwing agenda of the WashTimes ,et al, is all about making people fearful-- makes them easier to manipulate. It took me years before I realised that the Globalisas were at war with me and the rest of humanity , but now I know, and not gonna be distrackted by any IslamoNazi sideshows ! I remember you were going to be a cowboy when you grow up, but have you taken the lice into account ? Yee Haw ! ... (scratch, scratch,)

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HECK I must confess I find your 'source' highly amusing and punchy, great fun. Frederick Forsyth "Day of the Jackal" author, is great fun, too. And I've even heard him on the BBC-- same stuff. . WHEN are you going to allow yourself to question your belief that all this talk about a Clash of Civilisations just MIGHT be something that certain people WANT you to believe ? Knowing you to be so distrustful of ready-made solutions, I find it surprising you have swallered that one . Maybe you're just playing with me, with that stuff about "easily insulted muslims", because …

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Heck, Closing down those hundreds of US military bases overseas sounds a good idea ! On the Pope, and History, read Uri Avnery. an example here Maria Agreed !

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HECK , WTF ! NO ! I did not read the Pope's speech. VERY VERY often I change channels on the Radio, when I hear PROPAGANDA coming on. It may be the BBC , and I switch to the frogs, or vice versa. As usual when both are propagandising, I SWITCH off . Whenever someone says something is "inexcusable" I look around for my nuclear umbrella ! A few thousand drongos (thats OZ talk for nongs ) Proselitysing and Brainwashing, and Demonstrating around the globe is NOT enough to get ole Frog excited about a War of The " Worlds" . …

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You forgot the "cheese-eating surrender-monkey" insults used by the the other Trolls. Back to troll-school mister Heck.

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OPEL should you return, a debate between the shills/warmongers and others , notably rabbit, on the 911Faith thread. Strange indeedy that there is no article here..............

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War crimes case being prepared in Scotland. They recently reversed an amnesty law in Argentina to put one criminal away . So BushCo should not feel safe, whatever laws they pass, unless of course they have no intention of EVER relinquishing power ... Time for another National Emergency, anyone , ?

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Spinoza Excellent article. Also norman finkelstein on dershowitz--- worth spreading ....

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JOHN In a classic case of misdirection, a president who undermined national security by illegally taking this country to war, by condoning torture, by violating the Constitution and by destroying the world�s goodwill is attacking the New York Times for �put[ting] our citizens at risk.� I too would have prefered to see """"""" war on terror """""" ! "Seems to swallow" .......? think ? She has written 14 articles here. The first 12 I agreed with. No 13 wa 911faith, and now this . On 911Faith , we have discussed various interpretations of this "limited hangout " stuff ------ but , …

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Bravo nobody, except Tice?

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At one time when Tony Bliar got into difficulties he resurrected the proposed law to ban foxhunting as a convenient distraction. This united the cuddly animal brigade with those who just hated the foxhunting classes. I don't have a flag, apart from a merchant marine Red Ensign I had to fly on my boat. No intention of buying one, either.

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Mymarkx, Well Done for attempting it , you Pathfinder. Thedeanpeople Crazy system when you can get 17yrs for an eggcupfull of cocaine, and zero or tiny for election fraud. I'm against capital punishment, but it would sure be a headline-grabber . Maybe we could settle for 20yrs on a chaingang, with a referendum to choose which State has the very worst , most inhumane, most privatisedly profitable to fascistical fatcats, penal system . Now there's an ideea with legs................... I was going to ask WHY this took so long to come up, too . But maybe because so much so wrong, …

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Hi HORSE, Small problem there, not enough room on one page to get all the scum on. Congress has already thrown $300 mio at the 'problem', and missed. Par for the course, what a bunch of wankers. More pork. Any computerologist out there hypothesise why i'm flagged from germany instead of frogland? wanadoo.fr is frog !

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WTH I'd have you know we cheese-eaters only surrender on thursday afternoons, so we can have the long weekend. I think its the chinese, as well as other laundry-money behind the toll-road and -bridge sell-off of the USA . , Actually a reverse- cunning plot,. Take their money, pocket 30% minimum for our sweet little selves, spend the rest like water while tax-cutting, for ourselves, and when it all goes belly-up exit to our fortified bunkers in sunny australia. Well, I was just keeping it warm for Sally and you real amurricans. Good luck to rfk jr. BLOGKRIEG meinHerr , --- …

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Stopcrying Hang in here, mate., this thread will develop. . I'm not a Yank, just a brit longtime in france. I feel your rage, without the 13 hours. Difficult to imagine for you, but I do. I'm outside. I do my things here in frogland to fight the same motherfuckers. Various tactics available. HOW MANY PEOPLE can you mobilise ? With all the good will in the world I'm no use to you. No sweat I'd be with you demonstrating, but I'm not there. You can get a voting-machine for yourself and friends, but THEN no guarantee its not" fixed". TOO …

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mymarkx Unfortunately , Moral support only from me. Would love to send you $100 if you need it, but the banks would steal a goodly , LARGE, proportion on a Eurocheque. RISE UP. The only way. We frogs know it too. Enough people in the streets and the Mothas backtrack, for a WHILE .

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MYMARKX Press coverage. THEY are trying to privatise our public hospital, so we "assembled", as we do in France, and there was wonderful footage of the Regional hospital Director in complete disarray listening to a speech from a local councillor. i was beside the TV cameraman who filmed it all, and did not even take out my cheapo job to get a still of that embarrassed face. Fool. Zero on the TV news. Lessons learned. We've been on the streets quite often for the past 18 months, and I always had the cheapo still camera. That way any cop who got …

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Mymarkx I'm 59, and demonstrated in the early 1970's, the first UK Miners' Strike under Thatcher, and later got my jaw scientifically thumped by a cop in Trafalgar Square against Apartheid . Last year , I got out there again after 32years. It felt very strange for a few minutes , as though I was making a complete fool of myself, but that wore off. Fast. It may be a lost cause, but it always has been and still is the only thing worth fighting for. And I�m not going to stop fighting until either I can�t fight any more or …

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POSTAL VOTING Bliar encouraged this, 'supposedly' to increase turnout. Just goes to show that even with paper ballots, eternal vigilance needed. Ms Alibhai-Brown: In the last election I went to all of our northern towns during the whole ten days of the election and followed the candidates. It was a very interesting experience because of the kinds of deals that were being done, and because I speak a number of Asian languages they could talk to me in those languages while they were saying something else publicly. All the public meetings were entirely male. Deals were being done as you watched, …

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Sure Mymarkx, I was just keeping the ball rolling there. Amazed at that secret counting . Uncle Joe Stalin must be laughing. Indymedia paris is very useful . Merci. ps saw a review of "Unspeak" on political 'language'. goodstuff.

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The experts will come. Not soldiers, now "experts' . Sometimes experts are even more dangerous than soldiers. They say, ""You cannot. The market is irritated. The market may be angry."" It is as if the market is an unknown but very active and cruel god punishing us because we are trying to commit the cardinal sin of changing reality. When I hear our frog politicos, and yours, exhorting all of us to be ever-more competitive, I can now identify them more clearly as the acolytes of a cruel religion, demanding sacrifice of all that makes us human, like so many cattle …

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SPITEFUL is the right word for the US treatment of him. The admin spin on everything is devils or demons. Jessica Lynch was a brave hero being mistreated by the evil Iraqis, rescued for the cameras by heroic special forces, just like Hollywood. We now know the opposite. The Iraqi doctors looked after her, and called US forces to pick her up... Lindh has to be punished as a traitor who went on a spiritual quest (in a bad place ) rather than pursuing his duty as a real American, to go out and buy, to watch Foxnewsn and leave thinking …

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Re-reading the article, the young man was in the wrong place at the wrong time. No proof he fought against the US . Compared with other 'taliban' hoovered up for bounties, who were declared the "worst of the worst" by Bush, and then liberated after years of barbaric treatment in Gitmo, no charges brought, his case is far worse . Anyone imagine BUSH going on a 'spiritual quest' ?

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xyptol --- stay around.... Canuck, major, good to seeya, must to work go. I see that Terry believes in SOME conspiracy theories --- Access to birth and death certificates outlawed, to protect polluting Bushist companies from epidemiological research... 911 has been used as the "killer" argument for all the evil that has happened since, so I will digress JUST a little from subject to pass some new info. CONFIDENTIAL FM TASHKENT AMBASSADOR TO FCO 18 march 2003 I was horrified when the massive assault on Iraq started. I knew both that Iraq did not really possess WMDs, and that our weapons …

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frog has added to last one with edit. Do have a look ! In the UK the Dear Leader's Inquiry Act 2005 came into power last month. Shades of the KEAN COMMISSION any inquiry into 7/7 in London would be conducted under the following rules, with which Stalin would have been happy. Under the terms of the Inquiries Act 2005: - the inquiry and its terms of reference would be decided by the executive; no independent parliamentary scrutiny of these decisions would be allowed; - each member of an inquiry panel, including the chair of the inquiry, would be appointed by …

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Diggins have a look at the other twelve articles by terry.

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I understand your motivation in attempting to diffuse this nonsense. It's a major embarrasment and distraction, and can only undermine the effort of the left to regain political power in Washington or anywhere, for that matter. Anyone for a Freudian slip ? Rugbyzig, elegant and logical post mon vieux. , Natalie is our resident Natty Bat Vampire Shill, a creature of Darkness only happy when arguing for increasing use of DU, DDT, military force, a defender of the true PNAC faith .

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Skeptosis, Your question joins that "pile" with hundreds of others. I also saw, and heard with some disbelief, Condi say I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." Condoleezza Rice, May 16, 2002" I remember well the foiled 1994 attempt to crash into the Eiffel Tower. So yeah, "nobody would have imagined it" .... good link of yours. Natalie's job here …

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dougshaeffer, As Kevin Ryan mentioned in the interview, 911 comes up ALL the time as a justification for A to B to X , Y, Z . Elsewhere it is "TERRORISM" . One good bit of news is that the implementation of an ID card system by BLAIR is being pushed back by technical problems. Blairwatch---Dubya's Man in London for details. And for a laugh from the House of Commons before frog goes to t'pub. Gorgeous George may be a hate figure but he is undoubtedly the best speaker in the House that he so rarely chooses to attend. By the …

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NATTY the Vampire Bat SHILL , IF those towers were 'hollow', your frog is chinese. That might lead people to think, they were a sort of "card castle". We all built them as kids, and with one flick of a finger,at the base, they collapsed ! Those structures were designed by the best of American engineers, to withstand plane-strikes and the subsequent fuel-fires. No plane without fuel, dear Shill. I partly earn my living by cutting down trees. Unlike a tree correctly analysed, the South Tower started faling the "wrong" way. Mechanically all wrong. Good question of yours, Natters the Vampire …

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CHAD Maybe didders just hasn't looked that much at the videos. A "professional" is someone who gets paid, which covers a lot of professions, including the oldest one. An "expert" is someone who has qualifications, but none of them are necessarily in Honesty. "Professional Experts" are systematically bought or otherwise suborned by the agro-chemical and pharmaceutical industries among others. Professional Experts can be pressured by their employing governments to give false witness, or at least to remain silent., for fear of losing jobs and pensions . WMDs anyone ? Our resident shill tells us --- And that point is: Once the …

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G'day rabbit, No time to read right back, but I seem to remember there are about 20? demolition companies in the US. Coincidence that this particular LOIZEAUX oiseau who cleared up after Okla City turns up again ? Maybe. The "Inevitable Symmetrical Pancake Hypothesis " is just that. A Hypothesis. Demolition men could save a lot of time and explosives IF they just weakened one side of a structure, and then it came straight down. Sounds unlikely to this old tree-cutter. Following the NATTY- link onwards from 911myths as you did, we get to Ken Holden, Commissioner of the NYC DDC …

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rabbit I checked, there are a number of qualified companies US, -wide....."implosion world". Following leads, as I usually do, came to this , which looks like an effort to build up LOIZEAUX and CDI as the unquestioned world experts. Coincidence piles upon coincidence. The Grove story. I will re-read it, but there is sure something there. I watched the S&L and other scandals, BCCI etc, growing from close-to, so the idea of very large-scale robbery, money-laundering, is not new to me. i recommend ALL to follow the links on the same page to "indira singh". Just see how the news blackout …

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CHAD Methinks you have perhaps misread the Rabbit's eloquent Disquisitions , Wherein he points out with Precision That the NattyScorp Batcave Bushcheney Conspiracy Theory is but Pure Factoidal Repetition. ? THE FAITHFUL FOOLS BELIEVE THE CONSPIRACY ORDAINED BY THEIR DECIDER The rest of us rack our brains, for we do not have the Certainty, the TRUE FAITH of those who believe in their Dear Leader.

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MAJOR You have opposite you a 100% guaranteed SHILL. She can be sweet, even human, but her job by foul or fair means is to discredit any oppposition to Bushworld. Seemingly innocent and rather mealy-mouthed, she insinuates her way into "discussions". I can't right now remember the first time --- but it was something like --- "Well this is the first time I've ever posted, but it seems to me that................etc.... and then.......... the SPIEL ." Visible at 1000m, with experience. She has been caught out on numerous occasions, on facts . NOW, we see her again parading the same stuff …

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Natters Slightyly more subtle stuff than before; I see. ANYONE OUT THERE who believes that old frog is involved in insidious , destructive,hate-based propaganda , which serves Terrists, and Alex Jones' bank account, not to forget my Democrat - sabotaging of their electoral chances.MAY be lead to believe that this was apure figment of his imagination?

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mmmmm.........ZINN on the Federal Bureau of Intimidation James Madison made the point way back. One of the founding fathers. They were not dumb. They may have been rich and white and reactionary and slave holders but they weren't dumb. Madison said the best way to infringe on liberty is to create an external menace. Well, not all of them are black bag breakers and enterers, many have quietly left, and others have blown the whistle. Colleen Rowley anyone ? Sibel Edmonds ? Strange goings on indeed. Diggins Ole frog recommended weeks ago that you look at terry's other 12 articles at …

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Dean/brian Good rebuttal of our much-loved USEFUL SHILL I've been hugging those "lightweight trusses" to myself since joining the previous 911 thread late last year. . But they had to come out here sometime . The expression itself implies such fragility that OF COURSE it all "fell" down. Diggins Did you read rabbit's post of early this morning ? And my two ? Ooh la la -- I'm back with the cheese-eating surrender-monkey frogflag ....

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Rabbit's " zonked junky" article above, check it out ... A small True Confession from frog, but I'd appreciate your reactions. I'd known for years that 'that family' were a bunch of criminals. Nazi past/Contra/Drugs/S&Ls...etc I think it was pre-911 I saw the bushling on TV, and was astonished to discover myself liking the beast . It was momentary, but makes me understand how so many saw him as a "regular guy" . Something hypnotic ? I don't know. I caught myself the same way with Bliar . I've talked to some not-stupid brits who still believe he's a "nice man" …

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The real Axis of Evil

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1999 voice-morphing For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future. "Once you can take any kind of information and reduce it into ones and zeros, you can do some pretty interesting things," says Daniel T. Kuehl, chairman of the Information Operations department of the National Defense University in Washington, the military's school for information warfare. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PSYOPS seeks to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Digital morphing "" voice, video, and photo """ has come of age, available for use in psychological …

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Uninterrupted elevator shaft from top to bottom , ? To be checked.

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Joe, Seems to me I saw the same thing, but keeping files on all this is difficult as hell. Think its on my old machine. Sounds reasonable, maybe even standard practice in high-rises. Even cable-lengths and weights should dictate it . PS mail arrived notifying your post same time, coincidence.

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DUMP DIEBOLD, marxy !

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Howler No interest here in attacking somebody who is trying to puzzle it out for themselves. But I suspect you underestimate the amount of time it takes to look at even a reasonable proportion of the evidence and hypotheses. Some of them are false trails, perhaps deliberately constructed to muddy the waters . Waal, certainly so ! Your hypothesis is LIHOP - Let it happen on purpose. That implies "getting out of the way" of the "19 hijackers", and making sure they could do their evil deed. Well, some of the measures taken would support that, like removing fighter air- cover, …

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As Rabbit has pointed out for us all, the REAL conspiracy freaks are those who have FAITH in the WhiteHouse version of 911. The inquiry into the Titanic disaster began 6days later. Bushco fought and struggled and delayed for 411 days, before an Inquiry peopled by bushco insiders was established . That fact alone should make anyone be VERY deeply suspicious of THEIR conclusions. Howler rabbit's first 5 or 6 posts contain most of what is needed to suss this. Right. Assuming you are a normal difficult- to- convince human, that should STILL be not enough for you. So,, do YOUR …

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YO OEY Nice to see you come into the light, and the fight for the syntax check out advisory ITT email blockquote-- No. 4: Government agents are permitted to arrest and detain individuals "suspected" of terrorist activities and to hold them INDEFINITELY, WITHOUTCHARGE, and WITHOUT an ATTORNEY. (That could be you or me for sending or receiving this Email, by the way) bill moyers hyperlink--- The Hitlerite Patriot Act Now we have edit , you can correct missing spaces, "s, wrongway round < or > , until it works. Compatriot -- a real OZ too --- or a traveller... no matter... …

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NATTY the Shill, Here are your own words----july 26 6.09AM --- The wings folded and basically followed the main body into the building. Computer simulations confirm it. Any reader who can imagine the two wingtips, and the wings right down to their roots in the fuselage, crashing into an armoured wall at c.300 knots, then going sideways at an average 90° along the that wall to follow the fuselage into a small hole ---- must be mad. The fact that you can regurgitate such nonsense is yet one more proof that you must be a shill.

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SCORP Nobody said this was a classic demolition. 1 In those cases, there are a rapid series of blasts. 2 Building collapses. 3 Succeeded by great clouds of dust. You invert 2 and 3. Interestingly. So no need for an initial great cloud before the antenna begins to descend. For some strange reason there was a catastrophic failure of the central core columns. No pancaking. The subsequent huge clouds of dust at and WELL above the points of impact do not fit. Nor does the size of the particles.

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WTF*** , HECK ! Natty was talking about the Pentagon. She said. The wings folded and basically followed the main body into the building. Computer simulations confirm it. I found this unbelievable. Unsurprising, she writes to order.

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Hi Red GHWB never "met" Noriega, becos he has a different definition of the word to you ! Natty will explain the semantics. One thing we know for sure is that the Kean Commission was a carefully picked bunch of insiders. The Bushling even , 411 days after 911, put cover-up artist Henry Kissinger in charge --- but the old war criminal didn't want to reveal which foreign governments he was being paid to lobby for. He lasted a bit over two weeks. Nattyshill, ---- the 911 Commission was one of the cheapest most underfunded inquiries on record. Funny, that. …

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WTH I think they (all of whom served in Vietnam) were afraid of just what has happened there � too much political micro-managment and setting goals too high. Our real problem and reason for the instability in Iraq and Afghanistan is due to not letting the professional military do the job their way. Rumsfeld ignored ten years of CENTCOM planning and sent 125,000 troops to do what called for 500,000. Where were the other 375,000 troops going to come from ? Iraq was stable before the Invasion, now FUBAR .

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I post this extract from the Rabbit-link above to highlight a similarity. Whenever Israel indulges in aggression , it hides behind the Holocaust and its' propagandists accuse all critics of anti-semitism . Now the USA is actively engaged in two Occupations, widespread torture and murder, supporting 100% the disastrous acts of the State of Israel, all of this is justified by a War on Terror. And tthe justification for THAT WAR always, without FAIL, comes back to 911. Oren Ben-Dor: Who are the real terrorists in the Middle East? What exactly is being defended? Is it the citizens of Israel or …

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Hi KANSAS, Yet one more example of the insincerity of the NastyNat, just above . One of her major aims is to divert the discussion down side-alleys, so she asks an "innocent" question, what should Israel do, when the answer is already implied immediately above in blockquotes . Back to topic. I don't know about the scrambles /interceptions, how many were practice alerts etc etc. Any armed service worth the name should always be practicing, be ready, but we have found out from the insider Kean Commission that EVEN THEY found it difficult to get honest answers from your military . …

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Hey , NattyShill, How come the National Security Adviser to your beloved Bushnazi41 pretended before all the world that "nobody would have imagined "terrists flying planes into high buildings ? Huh ! Frog remembers well the Airfrtance flight hijacked in 1994 to 'do' the Eiffel Tower. Bojinka ,1995, too ? Kansas' problem of choosing "three" is what we cheese-eating surrender-monkeys call "un embarras de richesses" . So much to choose from, why stop at three ? Either CONDI was knowingly kying through her teeth, or she was so grossly ignorant she should have been fired in disgrace, maybe executed.. (GWB loves …

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HI Lapin Interesting speech by the rabbi ---- Orthodox versus the bloody Zionists. Pretty good news-blackout on this one too--- Oil spill only affects 80 kilometers of coastline... which in normal times would merit a headline. Israel has announced that if Tel Aviv is hit, they will begin targeting Lebanese infrastructure, map here. I see from a poll reported in the telegraph that support for israeli actions pretty strong in the US, and that European polls show a huge majority against. Those ITV reporters above seemed genuinely angry to me, but maybe WTH thinks they are terrorist-sympathisers, or something. Or the …

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WTH Just listened to the BBC World service interviewing John Hagee (sp?) of the Christians United for Israel , the very rich and electorally powerful MOB who believe in the Rapture. 3500 of the mothas just met in Washington, with attending senators, GOP I guess ? WOWEE ! Over the past year or so I've read a coupla articles about them, and they sound strongly, horribly, like Dangerous Fundamentalists to me . Maybe they even bring up their kids to start hating from the age of two ? I can and do believe they exist outside my imagination, because it fits …

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WILEY Nice to seeya. What on earth was that Mineta guy talking about that these cats were not privy to ? Strange. I read the article, just once, and was struck by the floppy amateurishness . Jeeeeeesus Christ, they sound like a bunch of high-school kids playing at sodgers. My old Gunner sarge would have killed us if we had been so sloppy, and that was far from ATC. One interesting fact that came out was that the presidential order to shoot down came AFTER all was over. That did not stop them playing on the agonising nature of their "decision". …

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WTH Of course you are correct that corpses can be moved, films doctored, etc ! We have to judge on each case with that possibility in mind , and the more we know about how it has already been done, the better . . I hope nobody needs reminding about the kuweiti babies dumped out of their incubators ? I'm near certain one british TV team did this in bosnia in the 90's , making a group of refugee men look as tho they were in a 'concentration camp'. First find some barbed wire , and then film through it ... …

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WTH You and I have some similar reading on our shelves, such as "A man called Intrepid", which has a lotta disinfo in it . Here is another story on disinfo, the Cold War Cheney/Rummy spoof you still seem to believe in ------- In the last decade of the the cold war the Soviet Union - the Soviet state - was portrayed in the West as a vast chaotic shambles in which nothing worked, all was cheap and second rate; a state which never managed to produce a decent refrigerator, and whose chosen motor car was the Lada, built on the …

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Bloody-minded old WTH ! have a good look at the stuff above.....

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HECK Durbin has said as much on local efforts to restore passenger rail service to this region. Three plans are on the table. Leaders and the community need to decide which one to get behind, then work for it. Squabbling only allows the people with the ability to make things happen to dither, delay and finally decide they will support projects that are promoted by communities that have their acts together. The post office victory illustrates what can happen when we do. Something that sounds good from your local one,--- my sort of activities--- but I thought the international coverage extremely …

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Ok Scorp. So Rummy and Cheney were Dimocrats in the 1980s. I just did not know that. Apologies.

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Nattyshill RACIST post above? You seem to believe "Arabs are Untermenschen." A poll by the """Israel Project""", but even that gives an overwhelming majority of ......51% ! Given this strong and stable support, a majority of American voters maintain support for Israel's continuation of military operations against Hezbollah in Lebanon by a margin of 51 percent versus the 38 percent who say Israel should stop.

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This from the Irish Times debunks the propaganda crap about firing rockets from houses.

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This man actually goes along with scorpynat on 911, but totally condemns all bushgov actions since.--Bryan Cloughley served in nuke Royal Artillery in germany, intel in cyprus, FOO artillery in borneo, in jordan, and with Australian forces intel in vietnam. Hardly an armchair peacenik, an expert on india, pakistan, the whole region, I listen to him more carefully than to any Armchair Warrior bushlovers . war crimes case being prepared in Scotland

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Bonjour Lapin et Cie. There were approx 100,000 in Central London saturday pm, and almost nothing in the MSM. The BBC, in one broadcast ,said a few hundred in Tel Aviv, but I found this interesting report of 3000 to 10,000, at indymedia . A lot for a small country ... "I should have thought that the photo of a man playing the piano in a ruined house should have sent a message of peace. But I saw the photo with all kinds of very warlike captions, which implied that I want revenge from the inhabitants of Lebanon. I called the …

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muslim fanatics aided and infiltrated by the fbi.... nutty natty For some light relief, as well as TRUTH, here we have George Galloway telling it like it is. hey, hopper, what's the fruitybat goin' to say next ................................... cept she now hardly can dare to................... or can she ?

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WTH goodluck. De real enemis are de globalisas..................off to mow a meadow...................

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Wiley The NSA to POTUS is on record ----" nobody would have imagined people flying airplanes into buildings". This is in direct contradiction of the hijacking of the AirFrance Flt 8969 to be crashed into the Eiffel Tower 1994. Also of Operation Bojinka 1995, in the news again since thursday's shutdown of Heathrow Airport, London. Either Condi was lying, or breathtakingly incompetent. I have not seen Condi being hounded on this, and wonder what her defence is ?

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In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connection to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, “just to keep the people frightened.” George Orwell, 1984 published 1948 And now we have the Heathrow Gunpowder Plot.. Wiley -- my Condi question was not about NORAD / FAA response, but about how she was allowed to say …

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Yo ! I remember somewhere the Bushniks have been reclassifying documents in the National Archives . Which would be natural for them. Just think if we had not had access to the Kissinger / CIA docs on Allende and Chile (at Georgewashington uni site)------------- we would be accused of loving CONSPIRACY THEORIES, poor misguided people... and then, 411days later , Dubya put him in charge of the cover-up .... Title, top of page -- something comforting about a world where someone is in charge- .. for good or ill.." . Condescending rubbish. In this anniversary year of the Suez Invasion Conspiracy …

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lapin the "canada" temptation has hit many americans, too, but most have resolved to stay and f****t somehow. Anyway, canuck's land has the same disease, as does frog- and blair-land... gotta work

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WTH, the war against terror, otherwise known as TWAT, is a load of "codswallop". I've assured you many times that this was the case, but somehow you continue to believe that it is real. One thing I know for sure is that I cannot prove you wrong. In this sort of discussion, each one has to make his own puzzled and puzzling, way, and that depends on how open-minded we are. Maybe Natty is just a shill and Scorp a clever but over-ideological GOP troll, (who cares ! ), they do their job without addressing the fundamental questions of the effects …

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Wiley / John ""Reading too much into the G 8 thing ? "" I remember the hype at the time on that one , just as I remember Algerian GIA and the Eiffel Tower, 1994 from that time , and Bojinka 1995 -- which I learned about much later. Nattyshill pretending there is a ginormeous difference between one suicide hijacking , and multiple ones, is her usual bullshit. Three conclusive cases above that this was POSSIBLE , had actually happened ONCE, been seriously planned ONCE, and was highly suspected on a THIRD occasion. So how could NSA to POTUS say " …

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NOPE. Just bringing up the point that Condi was LYING about this. Are you trying to tell us she wasn't ? This is one of the thousands of discrepancies in the Official Story, which remain to be explained . edit-- I'm addressing an important point of detail in evidence given by the NSA of the USA . No More. This deserves a straight answer.

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Rescorla on Vietnam, Nicaragua; "the Muslims", and how to make enemies HERE There was a man with more brains, commonsense and guts than Condi and Co united.

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HI HECK Sorry to hear DSL not arrived yet. I think that you'd find video particularly interesting, so do recommend file it away for when you CAN see it . Rescorla was the original anti-commie Action Man, but evolved and learned... This on LTC Shaffer is not a video. Nattyshill at work--- OK, so Condi was lying. Or maybe she was just uninformed. So what? How does this even begin to provide proof of an �inside job�? Does Condi seem to you to be the type that would sign off on such a plan? Would this be the first time a …

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WILEY Eggsactly fucking right . Now we have had 911 and no poor hungover, drunk, or otherwise deadbeat mechanic has been charged with his failure to do his job properly. He is so safe that there have been no systematic campaigns of denigration against him. ALL the guys in the FBI who fucked up have been promoted, as has dear Miz Incompetent and Lying Condi. Those who rejected the "Phoenix memos" have been promoted. WHY ? SIMPLE . Everyone else here except Nattyshill knows that certain elements close to the gub'mint have been commiting murder for a very long time. One …

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WILEY No. Frog did not invent a bomb ! However, while examining the introduction of containerisation in 1967, I imagined this as the perfect vehicle for terrorism or extortion for criminal or political reasons. The now very old 155mm nuke shell is but one example of a "suitcase" -sized weapon. Some time after this was the subject of various books and films. On the 22nd of July, the sixtieth anniversary of the King David Hotel terrorist bombing was celebrated in Israel. Then as now "terrorism" was a tactic, a means to an end .

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Bush Now Says What He Wouldn't Say Before War: Iraq Had "Nothing" To Do With 9/11 To justify the war, Bush informed Congress on March 19, 2003 that acting against Iraq was consistent with "continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001." , Vice President Cheney repeatedly cited "evidence" cooked up by Douglas Feith and others to claim it was "pretty well confirmed" that Iraq had contacts with 9/11 hijackers. BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and …

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YO HECK Here is another for your "videos to see with DSL" file. Gonzo the Clown. The link is to Prisonplanet, but the video is the Jon Stewart show on Alberto Gonzales, 4mins on a retard in action. The dangerous seven were "unable to advance their DEADLY PLOT ", he says. Sounds like Mr Bean and one of his Cunning Plans to me. The FBI man fesses up that this was "MORE ASPIRATIONAL THAN OPERATIONAL". Jon points out that the result was achieved. A woman working near the Sears Tower was "scared". And so were millions of other amerricans .........? ................................................................................................................................... …

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HI WITCH, I forget which video it was, but one of them harps on, cutting from one bushnik to yet another, on MSM, and they are all saying the same thing "ELEVENTH of SEPTEMBER ". bla... bla... more bla... twenty times. "Bullet Points." Hypnotic stuff. VERY BLOODY HYPNOTIC. I remember back in 99 ?, NATO bombing bridges , I think it was Zagreb ,but maybe Beograd, and because I HAD believed the propaganda about the Racak murders, I went along with it. At FIRST . I remember noticing then how I became hardened to the daily news of YET MORE BOMBING. …

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Wiley and Heck, I gave away the TV at christmas, but still get much amusement watching, for example, the ocasional jon stewart on this. Need some laughs , too ... and the political satire is closer to the mark than other more long-winded stuff. The BBC and frog radio news is mostly garbage, propaganda even, so I often switch off after a few mins. Too addicted to give this up completely, enjoy the learning that goes with it too much . An eternal student . On our previous discussion on globalisation, this man byron dorgan looks very interesting. Sadly true that …

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Nattyshill Somewhere back on this thread I even posted that the "Racak" massacre Clinton (probably) refered to in that speech had been set up. Yup. The American and European people were lied to, misled . Thanks for bringing up the subject. He can join bushblair wesclarke and Co at the Hague.

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Hi Wiley; Maybe you and I do disagree about Clinton and Kosovo, I dunno. Nattyshill's evidence was, as so very often, a shot in her own foot . First off she gave us the PRESIDENT, explaining why to go to WAR, then she gave us, free, the evidence that he had been either LYING or just WRONG. I know Clinton was lying, because the initial 'causus belli' was set up by the OSCE. Natty's valuable point is that PRESIDENTS do lie to the American People, make WARS and subsequently do get found out . Well done BattyNatty. PS I do not …

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HI HECK One more for your reading list should be Thomas Ricks "Fiasco- The American Military Adventure in Iraq". amazon on fiasco This documents very well HOW SOME individual US batallion commanders did the best job humanly and humanely possible, as old soldiers like WTH, frog, wiley, rabbit would also have done it . ( Strange to think of rabbit and frog as Old Soldiers, compared to the NWO GOP Armchair-warrior -miltarists like Nattyshill and Scorp, but life is surprising . I remember hearing of a legless Nam veteran war-protestor having his wheelchair overturned by the Cops--- in a demo …

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JOE. Give links. Even the shills quite often do so.

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Aging and increasingly decrepit plants operating longer than they were designed to run will likely fail. Old machines and parts break down. A reactor breakdown could cause a meltdown. In 2002 the severely corroded Davis-Besse nuclear reactor , just 20 miles southeast of Toledo, OH, came within a small fraction of an inch of steel from causing a tragic nuclear accident. License extension applications for 14 nuclear plants are currently under review by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. We are allowing ourselves to be the unwitting victims of our own nuclear terror. Instead of ending the nuclear age, the Bush administration plans …

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Yo Heck Serious question for ya. Given a small fraction of the treasure already spent ( squandered) on not- rehabilitating New Orleans, would Chavez of Venezuela, Castro of Cuba, and CERTAINLY Hizbullah , have done better than GWB ? No doubt at all. Failed president. A sign of a failed Society. Dramatically inefficient., like UK, france, etc. Banana Republic with no bananas, even. Just another Pôlice State-- as was the GDR with it's STASI . FBI = STASI. Half the people informing on the other half, as we can see when EVERY madmovement is infiiltrated from the recent Sears Tower Seven …

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JOE test """""""""""""this page cannot be found""""""""""". will now try------------- BLAIRWATCH When doing html, the slightest error is fatal. so a missed "space" is DEATH . Notice the 'space' above between 'a' and 'href'. ????????????? on your notification.

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SCorpsey Love to see you accusing Others of being "Ideologues", pots and kettles, Old Scorpytude. Tell us again how Globalisation, FREETRADE, and the IMF, and the WTO, and NAFTA, And CAFTA, have made working lives so much better in the USA. Do NOT forget to tell us how NOT raising the Minimum Wage is good for us, BECOS ...... Do NOT forget to tell us that the RICH should keep ALL they receive..., BECOS ..............their riches will 'trickle down' someday to the poor...

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HI JOE have you read Howard Zinn's "Peoples History of the USA " ? I want an answer on that ! Categorising people into "blocs or stereotypes such as 'socialist ' " , when they do not belong to any particular PARTY, or 'leftwind', when they profoundly dislike King George 111 Dubya Bush, has always struck me as dumb, but Old Scorp is a classic case of arrested development. Give him a cople of secs, and he will accuse you and I of helping Stalin to exterminate 80mn , all because we disagree with him ! A sad case.

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YO JOE Your email from ITT gives you all the 'html code' on the above. Similarly will introduce you to another interesting character, Craig Murray . Back to thread. My point of view on this whole debate is to follow closely, and try hard to exclude the rubbish. The truthie movement does have a tendency to endlessly repeat accusations based on flimsy evidence. One example could be 'Scott Forbes' on the Powerdown. The guy appeared, in one telephone interview, and then disappeared ! Stuff like that, I file away in my mind, as unproven.... perhaps true, but no more. After …

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YO , Horse ! Ole frog actually cuts brush, unlike GWB who is always talked about doin' it ! Them photographers are always around the little shit, but no photos of HIM doing THAT ?????? Ole frog cuts brush on foot with a 43cc machine, behind a 6.5 HP specialialised machine, on a 30HP tractor. All that talk we hear about GWB 'brushcutting' , and NO PROOF ? Any ordinary farmer or gardener would innocently ask -- " OK, what machine were you using/ driving ?" Everyday stuff. Country Life, like here. How many times has Bush, or his PR …

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Nattyshill, With or without a tree, OKC stinks. As do you with your poisonous 'horticulture ' play on words vis a vis Wiley. There are more readers than posters here, and those people make no noise, but sure as heck they judge you for what you are .

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Hey NATTYSHILL Ole frog, by total coincidence; watched 911 on TV on the day in the company of one Chilean survivor of 9/11/1973 and three other students of english in a factory here. .Night classes . Kissinger and 9/11/1973. He was lucky. The Red Cross came across him, by chance, so he wasn't 'disappeared', spent 6months in hospital recovering from torture, and was accepted as a refugee here. I notice you are more and more talkin of 'muslims' as the enemy. I despise, distrust and condemn those behind and around GWB as utter scum, but have yet to class them as …

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Your President "will not withdraw from this fight until this threat to "CIVILISATION" has been removed." He tells you the US is a "safer place,"................... now. A recent Guardian/ICM poll in the UK showed an Overwhelming MAJORITY of ONE PERCENT believing the UK was "safer" because of Tony Blair's support of the Bushling. ONE PERCENT. The overwhelming majority of Europeans see GWB , and his little friends, as a menace to Civilisation and world peace . The new Nazis are where Sinclair Lewis and Smedley Butler saw them, not where Rummy and Dick propagandise to Moron America. . Look in that …

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My take on 911 is that the the BushAdmin , or rather elements within it , such as Cheney/Rummy, DID actually welcome 911 with open arms. . True or False ? Bush himself is such a nonentity, unbelievable he could have plotted something so profound. A very small player. Whether it was MIHOP, or LIHOP, I wonder .. still .... The improbable collapses of the Three Towers imply MIHOP. Given my own and the increasing public awareness of false-flag operations, I would not now exclude Controlled Demolition as a possibility. Despite that, EVEN IF the 19 loonies inspired by the Man …

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The POV that the reactions of the BUSHADMIN to 911 have now been proved to have been WILDLY and INSANELY counter-productive has little to do with who was responsible for 911. IF, like Natty, you love anarchy and mass-murder, you will believe that all is just fine and dandy in Iraq. I have my many suspicions about 911, but unlike nattyshill I have no cut- and- dried answer to all those hundreds of unanswered questions. I'm still looking, which Natty takes as a sign of weakness. No 'wall' , no cracks, Nattyshill ! You are the PR flack, I'm just an …

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HI HORSE Ole frog as a fair-fighting ole sodger is gonna deeclare a War Agin Night Attacks. Those Evil swamp-dwellers like old Francis Marion, the Swamp Fox, were defiNITELY TERRORISTS. As were those evil mothas in the French Resistance-- including my pa-in-law., now 86 . Playing the Devil's Advocate for a bit, maybe we ought to compare the victims of 911 to those from auto-accidents , ? I defy any American, whether Scorp, Nattyshill, or WTH, as to whether they were more afflicted by 911 than me. Seeing thousands of human beings die is not a uniquely American sensation . Those …

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Nattyshill, As far as I know my mate rabbit has not been involved in any "shady dealings" between 'elements' of himself and mass-murderers. Your ignorance of recent American History seems to be wilful-- in other words you choose to remain ignorant of large chunks of it. I much enjoyed your recent portrayal of yourself as a "compassionate conservative", an empty phrase displaying the empty mind behind it .

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Nattyshill, Those weirdo "truthies" did NOT send 180,000 troops to invade the unpleasant but innocuous Saddam ? YOUR man did. Great result. Well done, Natters, have a stroll around Baghdad City. Take a platoon or four with you,.You might get back alive. Shit. Those "truthies" are really dangerous. Better get some shills onto them.

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Hi Joe; Scorp tells us jetfuel went down the elevators on impact . " QED ". I do not have the time to check out all that, but HAD thought there were very few , or none, which communicated direct from impact point to ground-level ? Having worked many years dealing open-line to other dealers at Eurobrokers WTC2, I googled them a year or so later. I had left that business some years before, and somehow it seemed ghoulish to see IMMEDIATELY if I had known any of the victims. Eventually, ... I did look. One little-known story seems to be …

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JOE, I remember some of the firemen took a lift. Dangerous, but probably true. Here is one future hit-piece from NattyshillCo-------- "Bob Bowman" . No mention, of course of WHO he was, and the un BUSH-LIKE things he had DONE . Some bio. WELL, if Little BUSH had flown 101 combat missions, and also had a Ph.D, Little Bush would not be the little fratkid he is.

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Reply to my post, Nattyshill .

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Have a look at the other twelve articles by Terry. This one is, shall we say, out of character ? REMIND ME, NATTERSHILL, how many combat missions did your WAR HERO GWB, .......... fly ?

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Hi JOE, I really love posting stuff for Nattyshill. Here is one on The RED TEAM" So Joe, now you can sleep safely. The Kean Commission did not LOOK, so there was NOTHING there . No blame, no shame.

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Hi Onest Joe, Have you heard "the TV was obviously on .... and I said to myself , there's one terrible pilot ? Either mister 41 sees TV unavailable to the rest of us, or he lives in a fanatasy world ?

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JOE He says the "hypothesis is gaining strength", and the more we see of that inhuman bunch in power the less we are likely to believe that a few lives would put them off. Maybe 41 saw it on the radio ? That would explain everything .

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rabbit The Clinton investigations cost far far more than $7mio ? Ole frog is still waiting for the Nattyshill response to GWB telling us ALL how he SAW the first plane hit . How about it, Natters ? PS Yee haw - frog back in frogland. Now how come he gets posted half the time from Deutschland ?

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davidwesty your post from the PNAC maniacs Follow the html syntax , and make it EASY for everyone to click on your links. Cutting and pasteing is a PAIN , you HEAR ? Second nature , with practice .... and the edit function allows you to correct quickly. PS Thanks for the link ! "

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One terrible pilot And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident. But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack." Yeah, yeah, Nattyshill. I'll look up the transcript where he says he saw it on TV, but Most people have already heard it --- he …

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Hi Rabbit, Horse and Joe, Being a rather ordinary dumb citizen, it took me years to envisage that CheneyCo MIGHT have done this. The classic argument AGAINST is that government is so inefficient that it could not have done it. My argument FOR is that Organised Crime, the Unofficial Government, is Very Efficient. Nearly 30 years ago Reagan appointed a 'Drugs Czar' . Big joke. Do any of you americans now see fewer drugs in the USA ? The FACT that 911 is now USED as a pretext for any and every foreign invasion, or infringement on the rights to Free …

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When men dress badly, it�s because they�re clueless, lazy or just plain incompetent. Ole frog wears denim and workboots all year , except over 30�, cos he's always working on and off, or off and on. Has a 30yr old suit for funerals and weddins, timeless cut. Veblen and Vance Packard said it all. Planned obsolescence pushes profits through sheepled people.

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The "Free Marketeer Republicans" are in hiding, WTHbecause you can't run any modern society without a decent central Government. Their extremists said they wanted to flush it down the plug-hole . Ideologues. Bullshitters. Individually, many US States are passing their own laws, thank God. I saw the influence here in Europe when California and Germany tightened up, way back, . It was good. You do dislike Jimmy Carter, I'm sure, but 38 or 39 years ago he was talking about energy-independence I think. Much like Mahatma Gandhi, who believed that "staple" foodstuffs should not cross frontiers. This is of course the …

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Our research here in frogland shows that E3 Bn on renewables plus energy-saving produces/saves more energy than our next particular Nuke facility. . GM and EXXon were selling OIL and IC vehicles, shit-head , so why should they sell you less oil or vastly more economical vehicles ? They are in BIZ for the short-term. NUKE power is for idiots.

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either farnz was born dumb or he is a tart, paid to post;

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Just imagine if a small part of the money wasted on Arms research went towards this. Lifestyle changes are inevitable, and not always all that painful. I'm waiting for the electrically assisted bike price to come down here, which will replace a good proportion of my car-miles. No point taking 1.3 tons of steel etc to the pub. On nukes I found this by Chicken Yogurt which farmz will not like. And I hope the rest of you do--- another piss-take on Tony Blair ---- he's getting as accident-prone as Dubya NOTHING is going his way, except large amounts of shit. …

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Nice one, WTH . Up with the nurses, and make other jobs for prison guards .

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Wolf, to paraphrase you-- I imagine that most North Americans are just people trying to get by, but their "leadership" is well, nuts.

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WOLFY leaders all over a